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		<title>By: jgarma</title>
		<link>http://curetogether.com/blog/2010/04/22/6-surprising-depression-treatments/comment-page-1/#comment-3777</link>
		<dc:creator>jgarma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This depression topic is a thorny one because it affects most of us some of the time and too many of us reach for the wrong &quot;cures&quot;.

Recently, several well-known doctors, like Drs. Hyman and Weil, have underscored how ineffective antidepressant pharmaceuticals are for treating mild to moderate depression.

Some studies they&#039;re no more effective than placebos.

So, Dr. Weil wants people to use useful strategies instead of antidepressants, and has written a book on the topic which is reviewed in &quot;Dr. Weil’s Four Alternatives to Antidepressant Drugs&quot; http://wp.me/pA04z-PM

I&#039;ve certainly had a few battles with mild depression.  Enough to take a good hard look at it.  A lot of reading.  Some experimentation.  Wrote this on the subject: &quot;A Little Depressed? 10 Actions That Help Me&quot; http://wp.me/pA04z-Pz

I think that the key thing to discover is what mechanism, thought, emotion, action, person will help you take the right action to alleviate depression when you&#039;re in it.  

Because knowing what to do is worthless unless you can get yourself to do it, and often times the most notable fact about being depressed is that you can&#039;t take the step you know you need to vanquish it.

Yep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This depression topic is a thorny one because it affects most of us some of the time and too many of us reach for the wrong &#8220;cures&#8221;.</p>
<p>Recently, several well-known doctors, like Drs. Hyman and Weil, have underscored how ineffective antidepressant pharmaceuticals are for treating mild to moderate depression.</p>
<p>Some studies they&#8217;re no more effective than placebos.</p>
<p>So, Dr. Weil wants people to use useful strategies instead of antidepressants, and has written a book on the topic which is reviewed in &#8220;Dr. Weil’s Four Alternatives to Antidepressant Drugs&#8221; <a href="http://wp.me/pA04z-PM" rel="nofollow">http://wp.me/pA04z-PM</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve certainly had a few battles with mild depression.  Enough to take a good hard look at it.  A lot of reading.  Some experimentation.  Wrote this on the subject: &#8220;A Little Depressed? 10 Actions That Help Me&#8221; <a href="http://wp.me/pA04z-Pz" rel="nofollow">http://wp.me/pA04z-Pz</a></p>
<p>I think that the key thing to discover is what mechanism, thought, emotion, action, person will help you take the right action to alleviate depression when you&#8217;re in it.  </p>
<p>Because knowing what to do is worthless unless you can get yourself to do it, and often times the most notable fact about being depressed is that you can&#8217;t take the step you know you need to vanquish it.</p>
<p>Yep.</p>
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		<title>By: Depression and Recreation</title>
		<link>http://curetogether.com/blog/2010/04/22/6-surprising-depression-treatments/comment-page-1/#comment-3340</link>
		<dc:creator>Depression and Recreation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as a coach I help people with. I was searching around and a good friend of mine showed me this site Cure Together and it talks about different treatments for depression. The most successful treatment on that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as a coach I help people with. I was searching around and a good friend of mine showed me this site Cure Together and it talks about different treatments for depression. The most successful treatment on that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://curetogether.com/blog/2010/04/22/6-surprising-depression-treatments/comment-page-1/#comment-3091</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 22:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for presenting this information.  As a sufferer from depression I learned something new and useful.  However, I have some criticisms of how you have presented it.  I hope you don&#039;t mind me putting in my oar.  Steel yourself for some frank complaints.  

The whole thing is not simple or efficient or clear.  We depressed Stumblers do not have much patience you know.  

It is very confusing to be told what you thought would be popular.  No offence, but we don&#039;t care.  We just want to know what works.  Leave us to be surprised or not about the popularity of something.  It would be better to make the explanatory text relevant and helpful.  

The infographic may look beautiful to you, but it is too complicated and difficult to understand.  It took me quite a while to figure it out, and I&#039;m trained in mathematics.  The orange and green rectangles look like part of the graph at first, and just mess with my head.  The cut-off points should have been left out in my opinion.  As it is, they seem arbitrary, and chosen by you, and they just confuse everything.  I think you should forget about &quot;quadrants&quot;.   I can&#039;t even be bothered to try and understand most of the key at the bottom of the page.  Oh - I just did - and I wish you hadn&#039;t.  

Even now I think I have it figured out, I am still unwilling to refer to it for advice.  It is just too crazy to look at.  This is a shame because I am sure that I could learn more from it.  

You can tell I don&#039;t have a job, can&#039;t you?  Time on the old hands.  I do care about this matter though, because the information is important to some people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for presenting this information.  As a sufferer from depression I learned something new and useful.  However, I have some criticisms of how you have presented it.  I hope you don&#8217;t mind me putting in my oar.  Steel yourself for some frank complaints.  </p>
<p>The whole thing is not simple or efficient or clear.  We depressed Stumblers do not have much patience you know.  </p>
<p>It is very confusing to be told what you thought would be popular.  No offence, but we don&#8217;t care.  We just want to know what works.  Leave us to be surprised or not about the popularity of something.  It would be better to make the explanatory text relevant and helpful.  </p>
<p>The infographic may look beautiful to you, but it is too complicated and difficult to understand.  It took me quite a while to figure it out, and I&#8217;m trained in mathematics.  The orange and green rectangles look like part of the graph at first, and just mess with my head.  The cut-off points should have been left out in my opinion.  As it is, they seem arbitrary, and chosen by you, and they just confuse everything.  I think you should forget about &#8220;quadrants&#8221;.   I can&#8217;t even be bothered to try and understand most of the key at the bottom of the page.  Oh &#8211; I just did &#8211; and I wish you hadn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>Even now I think I have it figured out, I am still unwilling to refer to it for advice.  It is just too crazy to look at.  This is a shame because I am sure that I could learn more from it.  </p>
<p>You can tell I don&#8217;t have a job, can&#8217;t you?  Time on the old hands.  I do care about this matter though, because the information is important to some people.</p>
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		<title>By: Shana</title>
		<link>http://curetogether.com/blog/2010/04/22/6-surprising-depression-treatments/comment-page-1/#comment-2594</link>
		<dc:creator>Shana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 08:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good treatment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good treatment</p>
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		<title>By: The Walking Depression Remedy</title>
		<link>http://curetogether.com/blog/2010/04/22/6-surprising-depression-treatments/comment-page-1/#comment-2487</link>
		<dc:creator>The Walking Depression Remedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 22:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Research Findings found that exercise is one of the most effective depression treatments. A shocker I know. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Research Findings found that exercise is one of the most effective depression treatments. A shocker I know. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Crowd-Tracking Noise and Air Pollution &#124; Quantified Self</title>
		<link>http://curetogether.com/blog/2010/04/22/6-surprising-depression-treatments/comment-page-1/#comment-2181</link>
		<dc:creator>Crowd-Tracking Noise and Air Pollution &#124; Quantified Self</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Nov 2010 07:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] crowd-tracking efforts are happening in health, for conditions like&#160;asthma&#160;and&#160;depression.&#160;   What if more kinds of self-tracking data were aggregated and analyzed? Wouldn&#8217;t the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] crowd-tracking efforts are happening in health, for conditions like&nbsp;asthma&nbsp;and&nbsp;depression.&nbsp;   What if more kinds of self-tracking data were aggregated and analyzed? Wouldn&#8217;t the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandra Carmichael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexandra Carmichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 03:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Colin,
Thank you for your comment! I&#039;m very impressed at the level of self-knowledge you have, and appreciate you sharing your helpful insights. You&#039;re right that as CureTogether grows, it would be great to be able to get into more specific examples of exercise, meditation, drugs, etc, and see how different categories compare to each other. 
Personally, I find both intense and gentle exercise to be helpful, depending on the time of day and my mood. I think as people develop their own intuition and understanding about their specific bodies, they can tailor exercise and lifestyle programs to how they are feeling in each moment or day, pulling out the right tool from the treatment toolbox to fit the situation.
As for the SSRI&#039;s, it&#039;s a great question, and one that we noticed too - we&#039;re running some queries to see if we can figure out what&#039;s happening there.
Thanks again and welcome to the community!
Alex :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Colin,<br />
Thank you for your comment! I&#8217;m very impressed at the level of self-knowledge you have, and appreciate you sharing your helpful insights. You&#8217;re right that as CureTogether grows, it would be great to be able to get into more specific examples of exercise, meditation, drugs, etc, and see how different categories compare to each other.<br />
Personally, I find both intense and gentle exercise to be helpful, depending on the time of day and my mood. I think as people develop their own intuition and understanding about their specific bodies, they can tailor exercise and lifestyle programs to how they are feeling in each moment or day, pulling out the right tool from the treatment toolbox to fit the situation.<br />
As for the SSRI&#8217;s, it&#8217;s a great question, and one that we noticed too &#8211; we&#8217;re running some queries to see if we can figure out what&#8217;s happening there.<br />
Thanks again and welcome to the community!<br />
Alex <img src='http://curetogether.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Colin Mackie</title>
		<link>http://curetogether.com/blog/2010/04/22/6-surprising-depression-treatments/comment-page-1/#comment-1979</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Mackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 00:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I love this infographic!  What an excellent resource for anyone suffering from this dreadful, dreadful illness.  But I am curious about a few things.  First, I&#039;m not surprised to see that exercise is the most popular and most effective remedy, but I would like to know which types of exercise have worked the best.  I&#039;ve tried everything from the very gentle Feldenkrais Method to intense and rather bruising martial arts like Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu.  In my experience gentle exercise has been helpful while intense exercise has just left me anxious, and because I find that anxiety feeds my depression I don&#039;t want to be anxious.  

I guess I have the same question about another practice I find to be excellent: meditation.  What type of meditation is effective?  I mean, I know what&#039;s effective for me, but someone looking at the infographic might be confused because it&#039;s identified twice.  Once simply as &quot;meditation&quot; and again, less popularly and less effectively, as &quot;mindful meditation.&quot;  It would be great if that could be clarified because, believe me, there&#039;s a world of difference between a Vipassana retreat and an eight week MBSR program run out of the local hospital.  In my experience, Vipassana is not really suitable for someone who is still within the clutches of the illness.  Save that trip for when you&#039;ve recovered.

Lastly, I&#039;m confused about the position occupied by SSRI&#039;s.  As a group, they&#039;re popular and effective.  Individually - as Paxil, Zoloft, Prozac, Celexa, Lexapro - they don&#039;t seem to be popular or effective.  How does that work?

I&#039;m probably just being a pain in the ass.  This really is wonderful work and you&#039;re to be commended for making it available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I love this infographic!  What an excellent resource for anyone suffering from this dreadful, dreadful illness.  But I am curious about a few things.  First, I&#8217;m not surprised to see that exercise is the most popular and most effective remedy, but I would like to know which types of exercise have worked the best.  I&#8217;ve tried everything from the very gentle Feldenkrais Method to intense and rather bruising martial arts like Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu.  In my experience gentle exercise has been helpful while intense exercise has just left me anxious, and because I find that anxiety feeds my depression I don&#8217;t want to be anxious.  </p>
<p>I guess I have the same question about another practice I find to be excellent: meditation.  What type of meditation is effective?  I mean, I know what&#8217;s effective for me, but someone looking at the infographic might be confused because it&#8217;s identified twice.  Once simply as &#8220;meditation&#8221; and again, less popularly and less effectively, as &#8220;mindful meditation.&#8221;  It would be great if that could be clarified because, believe me, there&#8217;s a world of difference between a Vipassana retreat and an eight week MBSR program run out of the local hospital.  In my experience, Vipassana is not really suitable for someone who is still within the clutches of the illness.  Save that trip for when you&#8217;ve recovered.</p>
<p>Lastly, I&#8217;m confused about the position occupied by SSRI&#8217;s.  As a group, they&#8217;re popular and effective.  Individually &#8211; as Paxil, Zoloft, Prozac, Celexa, Lexapro &#8211; they don&#8217;t seem to be popular or effective.  How does that work?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m probably just being a pain in the ass.  This really is wonderful work and you&#8217;re to be commended for making it available.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 19:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While presenting bayes-adjusted factors is good, it would still be nice to see error bars on these dots.  I&#039;m not sure how one does bayes-adjusted errors, but at the very least you could present the pre-bayes 95% confidence intervals as they originally were, with the dots in their bayes-adjusted positions (ie, no longer in the middle of the error bars, but shifted toward the mean).  This would give us some sense of how different the more and less effective treatments really were (pace all the more serious problems with treatment self-selection).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While presenting bayes-adjusted factors is good, it would still be nice to see error bars on these dots.  I&#8217;m not sure how one does bayes-adjusted errors, but at the very least you could present the pre-bayes 95% confidence intervals as they originally were, with the dots in their bayes-adjusted positions (ie, no longer in the middle of the error bars, but shifted toward the mean).  This would give us some sense of how different the more and less effective treatments really were (pace all the more serious problems with treatment self-selection).</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Beattie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Beattie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 01:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love that exercise gets the highest and most popular rating of all the treatments. Is it even a secret anymore?

Keep on rocking in the free world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that exercise gets the highest and most popular rating of all the treatments. Is it even a secret anymore?</p>
<p>Keep on rocking in the free world!</p>
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